diff --git a/apps/client/src/common/hooks/useSocket.ts b/apps/client/src/common/hooks/useSocket.ts
index a0da4b3ed..10a6f9c4e 100644
--- a/apps/client/src/common/hooks/useSocket.ts
+++ b/apps/client/src/common/hooks/useSocket.ts
@@ -174,6 +174,7 @@ export const useRuntimePlaybackOverview = createSelector((state: RuntimeStore) =
   offset: state.runtime.offsetMode === OffsetMode.Absolute ? state.runtime.offset : state.runtime.relativeOffset,
 
   blockStartedAt: state.blockNow?.startedAt ?? null,
+  blockExpectedEnd: state.blockNow?.expectedEnd ?? null,
 }));
 
 export const useTimelineStatus = createSelector((state: RuntimeStore) => ({
diff --git a/apps/client/src/common/utils/__tests__/time.test.ts b/apps/client/src/common/utils/__tests__/time.test.ts
index a518ac0e5..b79ce13b9 100644
--- a/apps/client/src/common/utils/__tests__/time.test.ts
+++ b/apps/client/src/common/utils/__tests__/time.test.ts
@@ -1,7 +1,4 @@
-import { OffsetMode } from 'ontime-types';
-import { dayInMs } from 'ontime-utils';
-
-import { calculateTimeUntilStart, formatTime, nowInMillis } from '../time';
+import { formatTime, nowInMillis } from '../time';
 
 describe('nowInMillis()', () => {
   it('should return the current time in milliseconds', () => {
@@ -41,257 +38,3 @@ describe('formatTime()', () => {
     expect(time).toStrictEqual('-01:00');
   });
 });
-
-describe('calculateTimeUntilStart()', () => {
-  describe('Absolute offset mode', () => {
-    test('ontime', () => {
-      const test = {
-        timeStart: 100,
-        dayOffset: 0,
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        totalGap: 0,
-        clock: 90,
-        offset: 0,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
-        actualStart: null,
-        plannedStart: null,
-      };
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(10);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(10);
-    });
-
-    test('running behind', () => {
-      const test = {
-        timeStart: 100,
-        dayOffset: 0,
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        totalGap: 0,
-        clock: 90,
-        offset: -20,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
-        actualStart: null,
-        plannedStart: null,
-      };
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(30);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(30);
-    });
-
-    test('running ahead', () => {
-      const test = {
-        timeStart: 100,
-        dayOffset: 0,
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        totalGap: 0,
-        clock: 80,
-        offset: 10,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
-        actualStart: null,
-        plannedStart: null,
-      };
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20); // <-- when running ahead the unlinked timer stays put
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(10);
-    });
-
-    test('running behind with enough gaps', () => {
-      const test = {
-        timeStart: 100,
-        dayOffset: 0,
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        totalGap: 20,
-        clock: 50,
-        offset: -20,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
-        actualStart: null,
-        plannedStart: null,
-      };
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(50); // <-- when gap is enough to compensate for the running behind
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(70); // This should not be possible
-    });
-
-    test('running behind with too little gaps', () => {
-      const test = {
-        timeStart: 100,
-        dayOffset: 0,
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        totalGap: 10,
-        clock: 50,
-        offset: -20,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
-        actualStart: 0,
-        plannedStart: 0,
-      };
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(60); // <-- when gap is not enough to compensate for the running behind it absorbs at much as possible
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(70); // This should not be possible
-    });
-  });
-
-  describe('Relative offset mode', () => {
-    test('basic function', () => {
-      const test = {
-        timeStart: 0,
-        dayOffset: 0,
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        totalGap: 0,
-        clock: 100,
-        actualStart: 100,
-        plannedStart: 0,
-        offset: 0,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
-      };
-
-      const timeStartEvent2 = 10;
-      const timeStartEvent3 = 20;
-
-      //event 1 is the currently running event
-
-      //event 2
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent2, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(10);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent2, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(10);
-
-      //event 3
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent3, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(20);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent3, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20);
-
-      // When clock advances by 5ms, time until start should decrease by 5ms
-      test.clock = 105;
-
-      //event 2
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent2, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(5);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent2, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(5);
-
-      //event 3
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent3, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(15);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent3, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(15);
-    });
-
-    test('gaps', () => {
-      const test = {
-        timeStart: 20,
-        dayOffset: 0,
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        totalGap: 10,
-        clock: 100,
-        actualStart: 100,
-        plannedStart: 0,
-        offset: 0,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
-      };
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(20);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20);
-
-      // When clock advances by 5ms, time until start should decrease by 5ms
-      test.clock = 105;
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(15);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(15);
-    });
-
-    test('added/remove time', () => {
-      const test = {
-        timeStart: 20,
-        dayOffset: 0,
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        totalGap: 0,
-        clock: 100,
-        actualStart: 100,
-        plannedStart: 0,
-        offset: 0,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
-      };
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(20);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20);
-
-      test.offset = 5; // remove 5 with addtime - we are ahead of time
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(15);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20); // unlocked evets will stay on schedule
-
-      test.offset = -5; // add 5 with addtime - we are behind
-
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(25);
-      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(25);
-    });
-
-    test('next day', () => {
-      const test = {
-        delay: 0,
-        currentDay: 0,
-        clock: 100,
-        actualStart: 100,
-        plannedStart: 0,
-        offset: 0,
-        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
-      };
-
-      // this event will start the current day
-      expect(
-        calculateTimeUntilStart({
-          ...test,
-          timeStart: 10,
-          dayOffset: 0,
-          totalGap: 0,
-          isLinkedToLoaded: false,
-        }),
-      ).toBe(10);
-
-      // this event will start the next day
-      // in absolute mode this would start in dayInMs - 100 since the gap would compensate
-      // but in relative mode with and actual start that is 100 offset it starts in dayInMs
-      expect(
-        calculateTimeUntilStart({
-          ...test,
-          timeStart: 0,
-          dayOffset: 1,
-          totalGap: dayInMs - 20,
-          isLinkedToLoaded: false,
-        }),
-      ).toBe(dayInMs);
-
-      // advancing 100ms
-      test.clock = 200;
-
-      expect(
-        calculateTimeUntilStart({
-          ...test,
-          timeStart: 0,
-          dayOffset: 1,
-          totalGap: dayInMs - 20,
-          isLinkedToLoaded: false,
-        }),
-      ).toBe(dayInMs - 100);
-    });
-  });
-
-  test('overlap with negative total gap', () => {
-    const test = {
-      dayOffset: 0,
-      delay: 0,
-      currentDay: 0,
-      clock: 100,
-      actualStart: 100,
-      plannedStart: 0,
-      offset: 0,
-      offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
-      isLinkedToLoaded: false,
-    };
-
-    // the overlap will be pushed out to the expected available time
-    expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: 5, totalGap: -5 })).toBe(10);
-
-    test.clock = 105;
-  });
-});
diff --git a/apps/client/src/common/utils/time.ts b/apps/client/src/common/utils/time.ts
index 760be0f54..d85ddc176 100644
--- a/apps/client/src/common/utils/time.ts
+++ b/apps/client/src/common/utils/time.ts
@@ -1,5 +1,11 @@
-import { MaybeNumber, OffsetMode, OntimeEvent, Settings, TimeFormat } from 'ontime-types';
-import { dayInMs, formatFromMillis, MILLIS_PER_HOUR, MILLIS_PER_MINUTE, MILLIS_PER_SECOND } from 'ontime-utils';
+import { MaybeNumber, OntimeEvent, Settings, TimeFormat } from 'ontime-types';
+import {
+  calculateTimeUntilStart,
+  formatFromMillis,
+  MILLIS_PER_HOUR,
+  MILLIS_PER_MINUTE,
+  MILLIS_PER_SECOND,
+} from 'ontime-utils';
 
 import { FORMAT_12, FORMAT_24 } from '../../viewerConfig';
 import { APP_SETTINGS } from '../api/constants';
@@ -143,72 +149,3 @@ export function useTimeUntilStart(
   const { offset, clock, currentDay, offsetMode, actualStart, plannedStart } = useTimeUntilData();
   return calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...data, currentDay, clock, offset, offsetMode, actualStart, plannedStart });
 }
-
-/**
- *
- * @param currentDay the day offset of the urrently running event
- * @param totalGap accumulated gap from the current event
- * @param isLinkedToLoaded is this event part of a chain linking back to the current loaded event
- * @param clock
- * @param offset
- * @returns
- */
-export function calculateTimeUntilStart(
-  data: Pick<OntimeEvent, 'timeStart' | 'dayOffset' | 'delay'> & {
-    currentDay: number;
-    totalGap: number;
-    isLinkedToLoaded: boolean;
-    clock: number;
-    offset: number;
-    offsetMode: OffsetMode;
-    actualStart: MaybeNumber;
-    plannedStart: MaybeNumber;
-  },
-): number {
-  const {
-    timeStart,
-    dayOffset,
-    currentDay,
-    totalGap,
-    isLinkedToLoaded,
-    clock,
-    offset,
-    delay,
-    offsetMode,
-    actualStart,
-    plannedStart,
-  } = data;
-
-  //How many days from the currently running event to this one
-  const relativeDayOffset = dayOffset - currentDay;
-
-  const delayedStart = Math.max(0, timeStart + delay);
-
-  //The normalised start time of this event relative to the currently running event
-  const normalisedTimeStart = delayedStart + relativeDayOffset * dayInMs;
-
-  let relativeStartOffset = 0;
-
-  if (offsetMode === OffsetMode.Relative) {
-    relativeStartOffset = (actualStart ?? 0) - (plannedStart ?? 0);
-  }
-
-  const scheduledTimeUntil = normalisedTimeStart - clock + relativeStartOffset;
-
-  const offsetTimeUntil = scheduledTimeUntil - offset;
-
-  if (isLinkedToLoaded) {
-    //if we are directly linked back to the loaded event we just follow the offset
-    return offsetTimeUntil;
-  }
-
-  const gapsCanCompensateForOffset = totalGap + offset >= 0;
-  if (gapsCanCompensateForOffset) {
-    // if we are ahead of schedule or the gap can compensate for the amount we are behind then expect to start at the scheduled time
-    return scheduledTimeUntil;
-  }
-
-  // otherwise consume as much of the offset as possible with the gap
-  const offsetTimeUntilBufferedByGaps = offsetTimeUntil - totalGap;
-  return offsetTimeUntilBufferedByGaps;
-}
diff --git a/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/OverviewWrapper.tsx b/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/OverviewWrapper.tsx
index fb7cd9177..11e242413 100644
--- a/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/OverviewWrapper.tsx
+++ b/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/OverviewWrapper.tsx
@@ -1,8 +1,9 @@
 import { PropsWithChildren, ReactNode } from 'react';
 import { ErrorBoundary } from '@sentry/react';
-import { isOntimeBlock } from 'ontime-types';
+import { isOntimeBlock, TimerType } from 'ontime-types';
 import { isPlaybackActive, millisToString } from 'ontime-utils';
 
+import Tooltip from '../../../common/components/tooltip/Tooltip';
 import {
   useClock,
   useCurrentBlockId,
@@ -12,7 +13,7 @@ import {
 } from '../../../common/hooks/useSocket';
 import useProjectData from '../../../common/hooks-query/useProjectData';
 import { useEntry } from '../../../common/hooks-query/useRundown';
-import { cx, enDash, timerPlaceholder, timerPlaceholderMin } from '../../../common/utils/styleUtils';
+import { cx, enDash, timerPlaceholder } from '../../../common/utils/styleUtils';
 import { formatedTime, getOffsetText } from '../overviewUtils';
 
 import { TimeColumn, TimeRow } from './TimeLayout';
@@ -51,46 +52,61 @@ export function TitlesOverview() {
 }
 
 export function CurrentBlockOverview() {
-  const { blockStartedAt: blockStartAt, clock } = useRuntimePlaybackOverview();
+  const { blockStartedAt, clock, blockExpectedEnd } = useRuntimePlaybackOverview();
   const { currentBlockId } = useCurrentBlockId();
   const entry = useEntry(currentBlockId);
 
-  const timeInBlock = formatedTime(blockStartAt ? clock - blockStartAt : null, 2);
+  const timeInBlock = formatedTime(blockStartedAt ? clock - blockStartedAt : null, 3, TimerType.CountUp);
+  const blockExpectedEndString = formatedTime(blockExpectedEnd, 3, TimerType.CountUp);
 
-  /**
-   * The time to the end of the block
-   * as scheduled
-   * TODO(v4): this needs to be calculated according to offset mode
-   */
-  const blockEnd = (() => {
-    if (!entry) return timerPlaceholderMin;
-    if (!isOntimeBlock(entry)) return timerPlaceholderMin;
-    if (entry.timeEnd === null) return timerPlaceholderMin;
-    return formatedTime(entry.timeEnd - clock, 2);
+  const remainingBlockDuration = (() => {
+    if (blockStartedAt === null || !entry) return timerPlaceholder;
+    if (!isOntimeBlock(entry)) return timerPlaceholder;
+    return formatedTime(blockStartedAt + entry.duration - clock, 3, TimerType.CountDown);
   })();
 
-  /**
-   * The time to the end of the block
-   * as projected accounting for delays and offset
-   * TODO(v4): this needs to be calculated according to offset mode
-   */
-  const projectedBlockEnd = (() => {
-    if (blockStartAt === null || !entry) return timerPlaceholderMin;
-    if (!isOntimeBlock(entry)) return timerPlaceholderMin;
-    return formatedTime(blockStartAt + entry.duration - clock, 2);
-  })();
+  const timeUntilBlockEnd = (() => {
+    if (blockExpectedEnd === null) return timerPlaceholder;
+    return formatedTime(blockExpectedEnd - clock, 3, TimerType.CountDown);
+  })()  ;
 
   return (
     <>
-      <TimeColumn label='Elapsed in group' value={timeInBlock} className={style.clock} muted={blockStartAt === null} />
       <div>
-        <TimeRow label='Group end' value={blockEnd} className={style.end} muted={blockStartAt === null} />
-        <TimeRow
-          label='Projected group end'
-          value={projectedBlockEnd}
-          className={style.end}
-          muted={blockStartAt === null}
-        />
+        <Tooltip text='How long the group has been active'>
+          <TimeRow
+            label='Elapsed in group'
+            value={timeInBlock}
+            className={style.clock}
+            muted={blockStartedAt === null}
+          />
+        </Tooltip>
+        <Tooltip text='Remaining time until the planed group duration is up'>
+          <TimeRow
+            label='Remaining group duration'
+            value={remainingBlockDuration}
+            className={style.clock}
+            muted={blockStartedAt === null}
+          />
+        </Tooltip>
+      </div>
+      <div>
+        <Tooltip text='Expected time until the group can end, if everything ends on time from now on'>
+          <TimeRow
+            label='Expected time until group end'
+            value={timeUntilBlockEnd}
+            className={style.end}
+            muted={blockStartedAt === null}
+          />
+        </Tooltip>
+        <Tooltip text='Expected time the group will end, if everything ends on time from now on'>
+          <TimeRow
+            label='Expected group end'
+            value={blockExpectedEndString}
+            className={style.end}
+            muted={blockStartedAt === null}
+          />
+        </Tooltip>
       </div>
     </>
   );
diff --git a/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/TimeLayout.module.scss b/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/TimeLayout.module.scss
index baeb795a7..e79581ec8 100644
--- a/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/TimeLayout.module.scss
+++ b/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/TimeLayout.module.scss
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 .label {
   color: $label-gray;
   font-size: calc(1rem - 2px);
-  width: 10em; // a number large enough to force right alignment
+  width: 15em; // a number large enough to force right alignment
 }
 
 .clock {
diff --git a/apps/client/src/features/overview/overviewUtils.ts b/apps/client/src/features/overview/overviewUtils.ts
index 9ac7da342..e0a2ce90b 100644
--- a/apps/client/src/features/overview/overviewUtils.ts
+++ b/apps/client/src/features/overview/overviewUtils.ts
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-import { MaybeNumber } from 'ontime-types';
+import { MaybeNumber, TimerType } from 'ontime-types';
 import { dayInMs, millisToString } from 'ontime-utils';
 
 import { enDash, timerPlaceholder, timerPlaceholderMin } from '../../common/utils/styleUtils';
@@ -6,8 +6,12 @@ import { enDash, timerPlaceholder, timerPlaceholderMin } from '../../common/util
 /**
  * Encapsulates the logic for formatting time in overview
  */
-export function formatedTime(time: MaybeNumber, segments: number = 3): string {
-  return millisToString(time, { fallback: segments === 3 ? timerPlaceholder : timerPlaceholderMin });
+export function formatedTime(
+  time: MaybeNumber,
+  segments: number = 3,
+  direction?: TimerType.CountDown | TimerType.CountUp,
+): string {
+  return millisToString(time, { fallback: segments === 3 ? timerPlaceholder : timerPlaceholderMin, direction });
 }
 
 /**
diff --git a/apps/server/src/services/runtime-service/RuntimeService.ts b/apps/server/src/services/runtime-service/RuntimeService.ts
index b66aab324..ae0118de2 100644
--- a/apps/server/src/services/runtime-service/RuntimeService.ts
+++ b/apps/server/src/services/runtime-service/RuntimeService.ts
@@ -771,11 +771,12 @@ function broadcastResult(_target: any, _propertyKey: string, descriptor: Propert
       !deepEqual(RuntimeService.previousState?.runtime, state.runtime);
 
     /**
-     * the currentBlock object has no ticking values so we only need to check for equality
+     * the currentBlock object has the potential to tick on expected end
+     * TODO: the value shows up one tick to late
      */
     const shouldBlockUpdate =
       !deepEqual(RuntimeService?.previousState.blockNow, state.blockNow) ||
-      !deepEqual(RuntimeService?.previousState.blockNext, state.blockNext);
+      RuntimeService?.previousState.blockNext !== state.blockNext;
 
     /**
      * Many other values are calculated based on the clock
@@ -806,7 +807,7 @@ function broadcastResult(_target: any, _propertyKey: string, descriptor: Propert
       batch.add('blockNow', state.blockNow);
       batch.add('blockNext', state.blockNext);
       RuntimeService.previousState.blockNow = structuredClone(state.blockNow);
-      RuntimeService.previousState.blockNext = structuredClone(state.blockNext);
+      RuntimeService.previousState.blockNext = state.blockNext;
     }
 
     if (hasImmediateChanges) {
diff --git a/apps/server/src/services/timerUtils.ts b/apps/server/src/services/timerUtils.ts
index 3cca39718..4cf4f1bc7 100644
--- a/apps/server/src/services/timerUtils.ts
+++ b/apps/server/src/services/timerUtils.ts
@@ -1,12 +1,65 @@
-import { MaybeNumber, TimerPhase } from 'ontime-types';
-import { dayInMs, isPlaybackActive } from 'ontime-utils';
+import { isOntimeEvent, MaybeNumber, OntimeBlock, OntimeEvent, Rundown, TimerPhase } from 'ontime-types';
+import { calculateTimeUntilStart, dayInMs, isPlaybackActive } from 'ontime-utils';
 import type { RuntimeState } from '../stores/runtimeState.js';
+import { shouldCrashDev } from '../utils/development.js';
 
 /**
  * handle events that span over midnight
  */
 export const normaliseEndTime = (start: number, end: number) => (end < start ? end + dayInMs : end);
 
+/**
+ * Calculates the expected time of the group to end.
+ * Should only be called if a block is running
+ * TODO: take a look at how it handles relative offset mode
+ */
+export function getExpectedBlockFinish(state: RuntimeState, rundown: Rundown): MaybeNumber {
+  const { blockNow, eventNow, timer, clock } = state;
+
+  if (blockNow === null) return null;
+  // if the group doesn't have a start time there is no end time either
+  if (blockNow.startedAt === null) return null;
+  if (eventNow === null) return null;
+  if (timer.current === null) return null;
+
+  const { entries } = rundown;
+  const orderInBlock = (entries[blockNow.id] as OntimeBlock).entries;
+
+  const indexInBlock = orderInBlock.findIndex((id) => eventNow.id === id);
+  shouldCrashDev(indexInBlock < 0, 'Running event is not in current block');
+
+  if (indexInBlock === orderInBlock.length - 1) return timer.expectedFinish;
+
+  let totalGap = 0;
+  let isLinkedToLoaded = true;
+
+  for (let i = indexInBlock + 1; i < orderInBlock.length; i++) {
+    const entry = entries[orderInBlock[i]];
+    if (isOntimeEvent(entry)) {
+      totalGap += entry.gap;
+      isLinkedToLoaded = isLinkedToLoaded && entry.linkStart;
+    }
+  }
+  const lastEntry = entries[orderInBlock.at(-1)!] as OntimeEvent;
+  const { offsetMode, offset, plannedStart, actualStart } = state.runtime;
+
+  const timeUntilLastEvent = calculateTimeUntilStart({
+    timeStart: lastEntry.timeStart,
+    dayOffset: lastEntry.dayOffset,
+    delay: lastEntry.delay,
+    currentDay: eventNow.dayOffset,
+    totalGap,
+    isLinkedToLoaded,
+    clock,
+    offsetMode,
+    offset,
+    plannedStart,
+    actualStart,
+  });
+
+  return clock + timeUntilLastEvent + lastEntry.duration;
+}
+
 /**
  * Calculates expected finish time of a running timer
  * @param {RuntimeState} state runtime state
diff --git a/apps/server/src/stores/runtimeState.ts b/apps/server/src/stores/runtimeState.ts
index 88b992492..2bc5d35ae 100644
--- a/apps/server/src/stores/runtimeState.ts
+++ b/apps/server/src/stores/runtimeState.ts
@@ -18,6 +18,7 @@ import { timeNow } from '../utils/time.js';
 import type { RestorePoint } from '../services/RestoreService.js';
 import {
   getCurrent,
+  getExpectedBlockFinish,
   getExpectedEnd,
   getExpectedFinish,
   getRuntimeOffset,
@@ -27,11 +28,12 @@ import { loadRoll, normaliseRollStart } from '../services/rollUtils.js';
 import { timerConfig } from '../setup/config.js';
 import { RundownMetadata } from '../api-data/rundown/rundown.types.js';
 import { getPlayableIndexFromTimedIndex } from '../api-data/rundown/rundown.utils.js';
+import { getCurrentRundown } from '../api-data/rundown/rundown.dao.js';
 
 export type RuntimeState = {
   clock: number; // realtime clock
   blockNow: BlockState | null;
-  blockNext: BlockState | null;
+  blockNext: MaybeString;
   eventNow: PlayableEvent | null;
   eventNext: PlayableEvent | null;
   runtime: Runtime;
@@ -90,6 +92,8 @@ export function clearEventData() {
   runtimeState.runtime.expectedEnd = null;
   runtimeState.runtime.selectedEventIndex = null;
 
+  if (runtimeState.blockNow) runtimeState.blockNow.expectedEnd = null;
+
   runtimeState.timer.playback = Playback.Stop;
   runtimeState.clock = timeNow();
   runtimeState.timer = { ...runtimeStorePlaceholder.timer };
@@ -509,6 +513,11 @@ export function update(): UpdateResult {
     runtimeState.timer.expectedFinish = getExpectedFinish(runtimeState);
   }
 
+  if (runtimeState.blockNow) {
+    const expectedBlockFinish = getExpectedBlockFinish(runtimeState, getCurrentRundown());
+    runtimeState.blockNow.expectedEnd = expectedBlockFinish;
+  }
+
   return { hasTimerFinished: finishedNow, hasSecondaryTimerFinished: false };
 
   function updateIfIdle() {
@@ -690,7 +699,7 @@ export function loadBlock(rundown: Rundown, state = runtimeState) {
   let foundEventNow = false;
   for (const id of rundown.order) {
     if (foundEventNow && isOntimeBlock(rundown.entries[id])) {
-      state.blockNext = { id, startedAt: null }; // the id is set here, the start time is set in other placed that handel starting events
+      state.blockNext = id; // the id is set here, the start time is set in other placed that handel starting events
       break;
     }
     if (id === state.eventNow.id) {
@@ -707,7 +716,7 @@ export function loadBlock(rundown: Rundown, state = runtimeState) {
 
   //we went into a new block - and it is different from the one we might have come from
   if ((state.blockNow != null && state.blockNow.id != currentBlockId) || state.blockNow == null) {
-    state.blockNow = { id: currentBlockId, startedAt: null }; // the id is set here, the start time is set in other placed that handel starting events
+    state.blockNow = { id: currentBlockId, startedAt: null, expectedEnd: null }; // the id is set here, the start time is set in other placed that handel starting events
   }
 }
 
diff --git a/e2e/tests/features/204-editor-crud.spec.ts b/e2e/tests/features/204-editor-crud.spec.ts
index 06e64277d..12f20e70d 100644
--- a/e2e/tests/features/204-editor-crud.spec.ts
+++ b/e2e/tests/features/204-editor-crud.spec.ts
@@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ test('CRUD operations on the rundown', async ({ page }) => {
   await expect(page.getByTestId('rundown-block')).toHaveCount(0);
 
   // create groups using the quick add buttons
-  await page.getByRole('button', { name: 'Group' }).nth(1).click();
+  await page.getByTestId('rundown').getByRole('button', { name: 'Group' }).nth(1).click();
   await page.getByRole('button', { name: 'Delay' }).nth(1).click();
   await page.getByRole('button', { name: 'Event', exact: true }).nth(1).click();
   await expect(page.getByTestId('rundown-event')).toHaveCount(2);
diff --git a/packages/types/src/definitions/runtime/CurrentBlockState.type.ts b/packages/types/src/definitions/runtime/CurrentBlockState.type.ts
index 009157b82..5ff9900dc 100644
--- a/packages/types/src/definitions/runtime/CurrentBlockState.type.ts
+++ b/packages/types/src/definitions/runtime/CurrentBlockState.type.ts
@@ -4,4 +4,5 @@ import type { EntryId } from '../core/OntimeEntry.js';
 export type BlockState = {
   id: EntryId;
   startedAt: MaybeNumber;
+  expectedEnd: MaybeNumber;
 };
diff --git a/packages/types/src/definitions/runtime/RuntimeStore.type.ts b/packages/types/src/definitions/runtime/RuntimeStore.type.ts
index 099d3f0d5..fc38c789d 100644
--- a/packages/types/src/definitions/runtime/RuntimeStore.type.ts
+++ b/packages/types/src/definitions/runtime/RuntimeStore.type.ts
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
+import type { MaybeString } from '../../utils/utils.type.js';
 import type { OntimeEvent } from '../core/OntimeEntry.js';
 import type { SimpleTimerState } from './AuxTimer.type.js';
 import type { BlockState } from './CurrentBlockState.type.js';
@@ -18,9 +19,9 @@ export type RuntimeStore = {
   runtime: Runtime;
   eventNow: OntimeEvent | null;
   eventNext: OntimeEvent | null;
-  
+
   blockNow: BlockState | null;
-  blockNext: BlockState | null;
+  blockNext: MaybeString;
 
   // extra timers
   auxtimer1: SimpleTimerState;
diff --git a/packages/utils/index.ts b/packages/utils/index.ts
index ef111f0c7..274999a5e 100644
--- a/packages/utils/index.ts
+++ b/packages/utils/index.ts
@@ -74,6 +74,8 @@ export { validateEndAction, validateTimerType } from './src/validate-events/vali
 
 // feature business logic
 
+export { calculateTimeUntilStart } from './src/date-utils/calculateTimeUntilStart.js';
+
 // feature business logic - rundown
 export { checkIsNow } from './src/date-utils/checkIsNow.js';
 export { checkIsNextDay } from './src/date-utils/checkIsNextDay.js';
diff --git a/packages/utils/src/date-utils/calculateTimeUntilStart.test.ts b/packages/utils/src/date-utils/calculateTimeUntilStart.test.ts
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..9761d7b16
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/utils/src/date-utils/calculateTimeUntilStart.test.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,258 @@
+import { OffsetMode } from 'ontime-types';
+
+import { calculateTimeUntilStart } from './calculateTimeUntilStart';
+import { dayInMs } from './conversionUtils';
+
+describe('calculateTimeUntilStart()', () => {
+  describe('Absolute offset mode', () => {
+    test('ontime', () => {
+      const test = {
+        timeStart: 100,
+        dayOffset: 0,
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        totalGap: 0,
+        clock: 90,
+        offset: 0,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
+        actualStart: null,
+        plannedStart: null,
+      };
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(10);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(10);
+    });
+
+    test('running behind', () => {
+      const test = {
+        timeStart: 100,
+        dayOffset: 0,
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        totalGap: 0,
+        clock: 90,
+        offset: -20,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
+        actualStart: null,
+        plannedStart: null,
+      };
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(30);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(30);
+    });
+
+    test('running ahead', () => {
+      const test = {
+        timeStart: 100,
+        dayOffset: 0,
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        totalGap: 0,
+        clock: 80,
+        offset: 10,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
+        actualStart: null,
+        plannedStart: null,
+      };
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20); // <-- when running ahead the unlinked timer stays put
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(10);
+    });
+
+    test('running behind with enough gaps', () => {
+      const test = {
+        timeStart: 100,
+        dayOffset: 0,
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        totalGap: 20,
+        clock: 50,
+        offset: -20,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
+        actualStart: null,
+        plannedStart: null,
+      };
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(50); // <-- when gap is enough to compensate for the running behind
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(70); // This should not be possible
+    });
+
+    test('running behind with too little gaps', () => {
+      const test = {
+        timeStart: 100,
+        dayOffset: 0,
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        totalGap: 10,
+        clock: 50,
+        offset: -20,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Absolute,
+        actualStart: 0,
+        plannedStart: 0,
+      };
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(60); // <-- when gap is not enough to compensate for the running behind it absorbs at much as possible
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(70); // This should not be possible
+    });
+  });
+
+  describe('Relative offset mode', () => {
+    test('basic function', () => {
+      const test = {
+        timeStart: 0,
+        dayOffset: 0,
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        totalGap: 0,
+        clock: 100,
+        actualStart: 100,
+        plannedStart: 0,
+        offset: 0,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
+      };
+
+      const timeStartEvent2 = 10;
+      const timeStartEvent3 = 20;
+
+      //event 1 is the currently running event
+
+      //event 2
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent2, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(10);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent2, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(10);
+
+      //event 3
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent3, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(20);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent3, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20);
+
+      // When clock advances by 5ms, time until start should decrease by 5ms
+      test.clock = 105;
+
+      //event 2
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent2, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(5);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent2, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(5);
+
+      //event 3
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent3, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(15);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: timeStartEvent3, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(15);
+    });
+
+    test('gaps', () => {
+      const test = {
+        timeStart: 20,
+        dayOffset: 0,
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        totalGap: 10,
+        clock: 100,
+        actualStart: 100,
+        plannedStart: 0,
+        offset: 0,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
+      };
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(20);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20);
+
+      // When clock advances by 5ms, time until start should decrease by 5ms
+      test.clock = 105;
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(15);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(15);
+    });
+
+    test('added/remove time', () => {
+      const test = {
+        timeStart: 20,
+        dayOffset: 0,
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        totalGap: 0,
+        clock: 100,
+        actualStart: 100,
+        plannedStart: 0,
+        offset: 0,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
+      };
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(20);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20);
+
+      test.offset = 5; // remove 5 with addtime - we are ahead of time
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(15);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(20); // unlocked evets will stay on schedule
+
+      test.offset = -5; // add 5 with addtime - we are behind
+
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: true })).toBe(25);
+      expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, isLinkedToLoaded: false })).toBe(25);
+    });
+
+    test('next day', () => {
+      const test = {
+        delay: 0,
+        currentDay: 0,
+        clock: 100,
+        actualStart: 100,
+        plannedStart: 0,
+        offset: 0,
+        offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
+      };
+
+      // this event will start the current day
+      expect(
+        calculateTimeUntilStart({
+          ...test,
+          timeStart: 10,
+          dayOffset: 0,
+          totalGap: 0,
+          isLinkedToLoaded: false,
+        }),
+      ).toBe(10);
+
+      // this event will start the next day
+      // in absolute mode this would start in dayInMs - 100 since the gap would compensate
+      // but in relative mode with and actual start that is 100 offset it starts in dayInMs
+      expect(
+        calculateTimeUntilStart({
+          ...test,
+          timeStart: 0,
+          dayOffset: 1,
+          totalGap: dayInMs - 20,
+          isLinkedToLoaded: false,
+        }),
+      ).toBe(dayInMs);
+
+      // advancing 100ms
+      test.clock = 200;
+
+      expect(
+        calculateTimeUntilStart({
+          ...test,
+          timeStart: 0,
+          dayOffset: 1,
+          totalGap: dayInMs - 20,
+          isLinkedToLoaded: false,
+        }),
+      ).toBe(dayInMs - 100);
+    });
+  });
+
+  test('overlap with negative total gap', () => {
+    const test = {
+      dayOffset: 0,
+      delay: 0,
+      currentDay: 0,
+      clock: 100,
+      actualStart: 100,
+      plannedStart: 0,
+      offset: 0,
+      offsetMode: OffsetMode.Relative,
+      isLinkedToLoaded: false,
+    };
+
+    // the overlap will be pushed out to the expected available time
+    expect(calculateTimeUntilStart({ ...test, timeStart: 5, totalGap: -5 })).toBe(10);
+
+    test.clock = 105;
+  });
+});
diff --git a/packages/utils/src/date-utils/calculateTimeUntilStart.ts b/packages/utils/src/date-utils/calculateTimeUntilStart.ts
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..88194033b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/utils/src/date-utils/calculateTimeUntilStart.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,72 @@
+import type { MaybeNumber, OntimeEvent } from 'ontime-types';
+import { OffsetMode } from 'ontime-types';
+
+import { dayInMs } from './conversionUtils.js';
+
+/**
+ * @param currentDay the day offset of the currently running event
+ * @param totalGap accumulated gap from the current event
+ * @param isLinkedToLoaded is this event part of a chain linking back to the current loaded event
+ * @param clock
+ * @param offset
+ * @returns
+ */
+export function calculateTimeUntilStart(
+  data: Pick<OntimeEvent, 'timeStart' | 'dayOffset' | 'delay'> & {
+    currentDay: number;
+    totalGap: number;
+    isLinkedToLoaded: boolean;
+    clock: number;
+    offset: number;
+    offsetMode: OffsetMode;
+    actualStart: MaybeNumber;
+    plannedStart: MaybeNumber;
+  },
+): number {
+  const {
+    timeStart,
+    dayOffset,
+    currentDay,
+    totalGap,
+    isLinkedToLoaded,
+    clock,
+    offset,
+    delay,
+    offsetMode,
+    actualStart,
+    plannedStart,
+  } = data;
+
+  //How many days from the currently running event to this one
+  const relativeDayOffset = dayOffset - currentDay;
+
+  const delayedStart = Math.max(0, timeStart + delay);
+
+  //The normalised start time of this event relative to the currently running event
+  const normalisedTimeStart = delayedStart + relativeDayOffset * dayInMs;
+
+  let relativeStartOffset = 0;
+
+  if (offsetMode === OffsetMode.Relative) {
+    relativeStartOffset = (actualStart ?? 0) - (plannedStart ?? 0);
+  }
+
+  const scheduledTimeUntil = normalisedTimeStart - clock + relativeStartOffset;
+
+  const offsetTimeUntil = scheduledTimeUntil - offset;
+
+  if (isLinkedToLoaded) {
+    //if we are directly linked back to the loaded event we just follow the offset
+    return offsetTimeUntil;
+  }
+
+  const gapsCanCompensateForOffset = totalGap + offset >= 0;
+  if (gapsCanCompensateForOffset) {
+    // if we are ahead of schedule or the gap can compensate for the amount we are behind then expect to start at the scheduled time
+    return scheduledTimeUntil;
+  }
+
+  // otherwise consume as much of the offset as possible with the gap
+  const offsetTimeUntilBufferedByGaps = offsetTimeUntil - totalGap;
+  return offsetTimeUntilBufferedByGaps;
+}