diff --git a/apps/client/src/common/hooks/useSocket.ts b/apps/client/src/common/hooks/useSocket.ts
index 0373f077f..3bfbb92c5 100644
--- a/apps/client/src/common/hooks/useSocket.ts
+++ b/apps/client/src/common/hooks/useSocket.ts
@@ -230,7 +230,6 @@ export const useOffsetOverview = createSelector((state: RuntimeStore) => ({
 
 export const useGroupTimerOverView = createSelector((state: RuntimeStore) => ({
   clock: state.clock,
-  offset: state.offset.mode === OffsetMode.Absolute ? state.offset.absolute : state.offset.relative,
   mode: state.offset.mode,
   groupExpectedEnd: state.offset.expectedGroupEnd,
   // we can force these numbers to 0 fo this use case to avoid null checks
diff --git a/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/TimeElements.tsx b/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/TimeElements.tsx
index 25c1e61a0..17ee75868 100644
--- a/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/TimeElements.tsx
+++ b/apps/client/src/features/overview/composite/TimeElements.tsx
@@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ export function MetadataTimes() {
 }
 
 function GroupTimes() {
-  const { clock, groupExpectedEnd, actualGroupStart, mode, playback, currentDay } = useGroupTimerOverView();
+  const { clock, mode, groupExpectedEnd, actualGroupStart, currentDay, playback } = useGroupTimerOverView();
   const { currentGroupId } = useCurrentGroupId();
   const group = useEntry(currentGroupId) as OntimeGroup | null;
 
@@ -111,6 +111,7 @@ function GroupTimes() {
     if (!active) return null;
     if (!group || group.timeStart === null) return null;
     const normalizedClock = clock + currentDay * dayInMs;
+
     return mode === OffsetMode.Absolute
       ? group.timeStart + group.duration - normalizedClock
       : actualGroupStart + group.duration - normalizedClock;
@@ -121,11 +122,9 @@ function GroupTimes() {
   const expectedGroupEnd = groupExpectedEnd !== null ? groupExpectedEnd - clock : null;
   const expectedTimeUntilGroupEnd = formatDueTime(expectedGroupEnd, 3, TimerType.CountDown);
 
-  const groupTitle = group?.title ?? null;
-
   return (
     <div className={style.metadataRow}>
-      <span className={groupTitle ? style.labelTitle : style.label}>{`${groupTitle || 'Group'} `}</span>
+      <span className={group?.title ? style.labelTitle : style.label}>{`${group?.title || 'Group'} `}</span>
       <div className={style.labelledElement}>
         <Tooltip text='Time to planned group end' render={<TbFolderPin className={style.icon} />} />
         <span
diff --git a/apps/server/src/services/timerUtils.ts b/apps/server/src/services/timerUtils.ts
index 9251fbc23..67f5d0f05 100644
--- a/apps/server/src/services/timerUtils.ts
+++ b/apps/server/src/services/timerUtils.ts
@@ -1,5 +1,6 @@
 import { MaybeNumber, TimerPhase } from 'ontime-types';
 import { dayInMs, isPlaybackActive, MILLIS_PER_HOUR } from 'ontime-utils';
+
 import type { RuntimeState } from '../stores/runtimeState.js';
 
 /**
@@ -131,7 +132,7 @@ export function getRuntimeOffset(state: RuntimeState): { absolute: number; relat
     if (actualStart === null) throw new Error('timerUtils.getRuntimeOffset: state.rundown.plannedStart must be set');
   }
 
-  // difference between planned event start and actual event start (will be positive if we started behind )
+  // difference between planned event start and actual event start (will be positive if we started behind)
   const eventStartOffset = startedAt + _startDayOffset * dayInMs - (timeStart + dayOffset * dayInMs);
 
   // how long has the event been running over (is a negative number when in over timer so inverted before adding to offset)
@@ -140,9 +141,10 @@ export function getRuntimeOffset(state: RuntimeState): { absolute: number; relat
   // time the playback was paused, the different from now to when we paused is added to the offset TODO: brakes when crossing midnight
   const pausedTime = state._timer.pausedAt === null ? 0 : clock - state._timer.pausedAt;
 
+  // absolute offset is difference between schedule and playback time
   const absolute = eventStartOffset + overtime + pausedTime + addedTime;
 
-  // the relative offset is the same as the absolute offset but adjusted relative to the actual start time
+  // the relative offset is the same as the absolute but adjusted relative to the actual start time
   const relative = absolute + plannedStart - actualStart - _startDayOffset * dayInMs;
 
   // in case of count to end, the absolute offset is just the overtime
diff --git a/apps/server/src/stores/runtimeState.ts b/apps/server/src/stores/runtimeState.ts
index 9f73dd775..ff3fbd510 100644
--- a/apps/server/src/stores/runtimeState.ts
+++ b/apps/server/src/stores/runtimeState.ts
@@ -637,15 +637,21 @@ export function roll(
     // check if the event is ready to start or if needs to be pending
     const isNow = checkIsNow(runtimeState.eventNow.timeStart, runtimeState.eventNow.timeEnd, offsetClock);
     if (isNow) {
-      runtimeState.timer.startedAt = runtimeState.clock;
+      /**
+       * If we are starting an event in roll mode
+       * we backtrace all the start times to the supposed start time of the event
+       */
+      const plannedStart = runtimeState.eventNow.timeStart;
+      runtimeState.timer.startedAt = plannedStart;
+      // reset the secondary timer to cancel any countdowns
       runtimeState.timer.secondaryTimer = null;
 
       if (runtimeState.groupNow !== null && runtimeState.rundown.actualGroupStart === null) {
-        runtimeState.rundown.actualGroupStart = runtimeState.clock;
+        runtimeState.rundown.actualGroupStart = plannedStart;
       }
 
       if (runtimeState.rundown.actualStart === null) {
-        runtimeState.rundown.actualStart = runtimeState.clock;
+        runtimeState.rundown.actualStart = plannedStart;
         runtimeState._startDayOffset = 0;
         runtimeState._startEpoch = epoch;
       }
@@ -703,29 +709,31 @@ export function roll(
     return { eventId: runtimeState.eventNow.id, didStart: false };
   }
 
-  // there is something to run, load event
-  // event will finish on time
-  // account for event that finishes the day after
+  /**
+   * At this point we know that there is something to run and the event is loaded
+   * - ensure the event will finish ontime
+   * - account for events that finish the day after
+   *
+   * when we start in roll mode
+   * we need to backtrace all times to the supposed start time of the event
+   */
+  const plannedStart = runtimeState.eventNow.timeStart;
   const endTime =
     runtimeState.eventNow.timeEnd < runtimeState.eventNow.timeStart
       ? runtimeState.eventNow.timeEnd + dayInMs
       : runtimeState.eventNow.timeEnd;
-  runtimeState.timer.startedAt = runtimeState.clock;
+  runtimeState.timer.startedAt = plannedStart;
   runtimeState.timer.expectedFinish = endTime;
 
-  // we add time to allow timer to catch up
-  runtimeState.timer.addedTime = -(runtimeState.clock - runtimeState.eventNow.timeStart);
-
   // state catch up
   runtimeState.timer.duration = calculateDuration(runtimeState.eventNow.timeStart, endTime);
   runtimeState.timer.current = getCurrent(runtimeState);
   runtimeState.timer.elapsed = 0;
 
   // update runtime
-  runtimeState.rundown.actualStart = runtimeState.clock;
-
+  runtimeState.rundown.actualStart = plannedStart;
   if (runtimeState.groupNow !== null && runtimeState.rundown.actualGroupStart === null) {
-    runtimeState.rundown.actualGroupStart = runtimeState.clock;
+    runtimeState.rundown.actualGroupStart = plannedStart;
   }
 
   // update metadata